1 00:00:20,153 --> 00:00:25,825 I was born on Febuary the sixth, 1919, 2 00:00:25,825 --> 00:00:30,663 and there was a great big snow storm in Western Kansas at the time. 3 00:00:30,663 --> 00:00:34,501 The Doctor didn’t get there till the next day in his horse and buggy. 4 00:00:34,768 --> 00:00:38,505 So that’s my start in life.   5 00:00:38,505 --> 00:00:43,176 My first ten years was in Dresden Kansas, 6 00:00:43,176 --> 00:00:49,416 and my father was in France at the time, and when he came back, 7 00:00:49,416 --> 00:00:56,189 he was not interested in either his wife or his son. And so they were divorced. 8 00:00:56,189 --> 00:01:03,563 And my mother and I lived with her parents for then for ten years, 9 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:09,903 and when she got a little older so to speak, 10 00:01:09,903 --> 00:01:16,242 she taught school in a one room farm school, eight grades. 11 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:26,052 And in 1926 she had saved enough money to buy a Ford Model T coup. 12 00:01:26,052 --> 00:01:30,957 So she started coming home every day then from school. 13 00:01:30,957 --> 00:01:36,229 Where she had been staying all through the week at a farm nearby the school. 14 00:01:36,229 --> 00:01:45,472 My interest in airplanes started back when I was five or six years old. 15 00:01:45,472 --> 00:01:55,181 And one of the farmers near by had bought a World War I Curtiss Jenny. 16 00:01:55,181 --> 00:01:59,419 And he used to fly around, and that got my interest in Airplanes. 17 00:01:59,419 --> 00:02:04,824 And so before I was ten years old I was taking Model Airplane News 18 00:02:04,824 --> 00:02:08,094 and building model airplanes. 19 00:02:08,094 --> 00:02:16,269 My first one was a Fokker D7 fighter: a WWI German fighter. 20 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:24,277 During that time I decided I wanted to become a fighter pilot, 21 00:02:24,277 --> 00:02:28,281 You might say an aero engineer. 22 00:02:28,281 --> 00:02:37,290 So that’s my early start on my history. 23 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:43,763 When I was 10 my mother remarried and we moved to Norton Kansas. 24 00:02:43,763 --> 00:02:51,304 And in Norton I started the sixth grade and went through High school 25 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:56,309 building model airplanes, by the way, all the time. 26 00:02:56,309 --> 00:03:03,950 And my ambition sort of ran along the lines: I need to go to West Point, 27 00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:08,421 and then go what they call West Point of the air in San Antonio 28 00:03:08,421 --> 00:03:10,456 to learn to be a fighter pilot. 29 00:03:10,456 --> 00:03:18,064 Well In my Junior year in high school, a good friend of mine who graduated that year, 30 00:03:18,064 --> 00:03:20,934 got an appointment with West Point and did that basically. 31 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:28,474 Well nearing graduation in high school, I wrote to my Congressman. 32 00:03:28,474 --> 00:03:30,877 He said “I don’t have an appointment to West Point this year, 33 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:33,413 I have one to Annapolis.” 34 00:03:33,413 --> 00:03:37,750 Well, I didn’t know much about Annapolis, (living) in western Kansas. 35 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:40,353 You know, Navy? 36 00:03:40,353 --> 00:03:44,357 So, I decided, well I would go to K State. And I went for a year  37 00:03:44,357 --> 00:03:48,361 as a mechanical engineer. 38 00:03:48,361 --> 00:03:51,364 And worked, by the way, for the department chairman 39 00:03:51,364 --> 00:03:55,368 making drawings for ten cents an hour. 40 00:03:55,368 --> 00:03:58,037 That was the going rate. 41 00:03:58,037 --> 00:04:04,377 And it cost me about four hundred dollars a year to go to college. 42 00:04:04,377 --> 00:04:14,387 I stayed in an apartment building with about eight different fellas 43 00:04:14,387 --> 00:04:20,393 and we all ate at the little restaurants around Aggieville. 44 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:24,397 And we’d get a meal ticket for twenty dollars, and that would last for a month or so. 45 00:04:24,397 --> 00:04:30,403 And so that was the year I was there,  and again I knew I needed to 46 00:04:30,403 --> 00:04:33,373 well, I was in the ROTC too of course 47 00:04:33,373 --> 00:04:37,410 but that wasn’t going to get me where I wanted to go. 48 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:44,384 And so I wrote my congressman again - Congressman Carlson. 49 00:04:44,384 --> 00:04:44,684 And he said “I don’t have an appointment to West Point, 50 00:04:44,684 --> 00:04:49,355 but I’ve got one to Annapolis.” 51 00:04:49,355 --> 00:04:52,392 Okay, someone is telling me something. 52 00:04:52,392 --> 00:04:57,363 He said “if you are interested, go to the post office on a certain date 53 00:04:57,363 --> 00:05:02,335 and take my competitive examination.” So I said, “Okay I’ll do that.” 54 00:05:02,335 --> 00:05:09,309 So I went back to Norton and took the whole day’s examination. 55 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:14,280 What it was, was essentially the Naval Academy entrance exam. 56 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,250 So I got the appointment, 57 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:23,222 and he told me to go to Fort Riley to have a physical, to see if I pass. 58 00:05:23,222 --> 00:05:27,460 Well it turns out everything was fine, except I had two teeth that wouldn't get in. 59 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:29,162 They were crooked. 60 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:34,434 So I went to Topeka to an orthodontist, and he gave me a real quick job 61 00:05:34,434 --> 00:05:37,170 on straightening the two teeth. 62 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:44,143 And so on— oh, and while I was at K State, in one of my classes – 63 00:05:44,143 --> 00:05:46,112 I think it was my speech class - 64 00:05:46,112 --> 00:05:50,083 I got acquainted with another person 65 00:05:50,083 --> 00:05:53,052 that had an appointment to Annapolis too (Don Reader). 66 00:05:53,086 --> 00:05:56,055 And he was from Jetmore, Kansas, 67 00:05:56,055 --> 00:06:00,059 which is about a hundred miles south of Norton. 68 00:06:00,059 --> 00:06:03,029 So we decided if we got orders to go together, 69 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:05,031 we’d go together, and we did. 70 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:15,475 Well his parents brought him over to Norton and took us to Nebraska 71 00:06:15,475 --> 00:06:17,443 where we’d get the Lincoln-Zephyr 72 00:06:17,443 --> 00:06:20,413 and we’d go to Chicago. 73 00:06:20,413 --> 00:06:26,386 No trains go through to Chicago. So you’d have to transfer. 74 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:30,356 And so we transferred at Penn Central I think, I am not sure. 75 00:06:30,356 --> 00:06:33,359 Anyhow, we went to Washington DC. 76 00:06:33,359 --> 00:06:39,332 We got in in the evening, and went to the Annapolis Hotel in Washington DC. 77 00:06:39,332 --> 00:06:42,301 So the next day we went over to see our congressmen. 78 00:06:42,301 --> 00:06:50,276 We went over to see mine, and he wasn’t in, but his secretary had a nice conversation with us. 79 00:06:50,276 --> 00:06:53,546 So we went over to see his congressman, and he was in. And he says, 80 00:06:53,546 --> 00:06:56,516 “Have you ever been to Washington DC before?” “No.” 81 00:06:56,516 --> 00:07:00,553 “Well my car is out in the back lot, here’s the keys, 82 00:07:00,553 --> 00:07:04,524 and just come back by five o’clock tonight.” 83 00:07:04,524 --> 00:07:08,494 And so we took the congressman’s car and drove around Washington 84 00:07:08,494 --> 00:07:12,465 and saw some of the sights and got back at five o’clock at night. 85 00:07:12,465 --> 00:07:18,438 And stayed all night again at the hotel and the next day we went to Annapolis. 86 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:27,580 And there was a Midshipman a couple of years ahead of us 87 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:30,550 who Carlson had appointed from Salina. 88 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:37,523 and he (Carlson) got him to arrange a place for us to stay in Annapolis, 89 00:07:37,523 --> 00:07:41,494 which we did. And so then we went to the academy; 90 00:07:41,494 --> 00:07:49,469 took our physical exam — our grades form K State did that part of it. 91 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:54,440 And so on the 30th of June 1937 92 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,609 we both entered the Naval Academy, 93 00:07:56,609 --> 00:07:59,979 and we became roommates for the whole time. 94 00:08:02,615 --> 00:08:11,591 The summer was spent, some math and classes like that; 95 00:08:11,591 --> 00:08:22,068 rifle range in particular: firing 30 caliber rifles and 96 00:08:22,068 --> 00:08:29,041 45 caliber colt pistols, 30 caliber machine guns, and so forth. 97 00:08:29,041 --> 00:08:32,011 I never could qualify for a marksman. 98 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:35,982 Then some of the summer was spent 99 00:08:35,982 --> 00:08:39,952 in sailboats, rowboats, and that sort of thing. 100 00:08:39,952 --> 00:08:44,924 And then school started of course, 101 00:08:44,924 --> 00:08:49,128 and for everyone but the freshmen  coming in 102 00:08:49,128 --> 00:08:52,098 they had what they called September leave 103 00:08:52,098 --> 00:08:56,135 and when that was over we all started school. 104 00:08:56,135 --> 00:09:04,110 And I guess the whole four years was, 105 00:09:04,110 --> 00:09:07,079 as far as academics went, was, you know, hard. 106 00:09:07,079 --> 00:09:14,053 I made three gas model airplanes  during that time, 107 00:09:14,053 --> 00:09:17,156 one of which almost got me kicked out because I was 108 00:09:17,156 --> 00:09:27,066 doping it over the Officer of the Day of the academy. 109 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:34,040 His office was right under our room and all that smell was coming down  on him 110 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,109 nd he didn’t think that was appropriate. 111 00:09:37,109 --> 00:09:40,112 And fortunately he didn’t find me, 112 00:09:40,112 --> 00:09:46,118 but he had a midshipman chase down until he did and tell me to quit 113 00:09:46,118 --> 00:09:48,087 which I did. 114 00:09:48,087 --> 00:10:00,066 The first gas model airplane I actually made was when I was on September leave, 115 00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:02,134 my first leave in ’38; 116 00:10:02,134 --> 00:10:10,109 the second was made during the academic year at the Naval Academy. 117 00:10:10,109 --> 00:10:16,148 A professor, who was actually a Lieutenant in the Navy, 118 00:10:16,148 --> 00:10:24,156 who taught radio and electrical systems 119 00:10:24,156 --> 00:10:29,128 had a radio that would go in a gas model airplane. 120 00:10:29,128 --> 00:10:32,098 And he asked me if I’d like to have it. 121 00:10:32,098 --> 00:10:37,069 So I made another gas model airplane to put this in. 122 00:10:37,069 --> 00:10:47,046 And it flew in the summer of 1939, radio control - rudder control. 123 00:10:47,046 --> 00:10:51,017 But he didn’t get to see it. He was sent to China Station. 124 00:10:51,017 --> 00:10:53,986 And his name was Lt. Ronald J. Worthington. 125 00:10:53,986 --> 00:11:02,962 He was on his way home from China Station, fleet, 126 00:11:02,962 --> 00:11:07,667 and was in Cavite Naval Yard (Base in Manila Bay) in the Philippines, 127 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:10,002 when the war started. 128 00:11:10,002 --> 00:11:13,973 They gave him a destroyer, which didn’t have any guns on it, 129 00:11:13,973 --> 00:11:16,942 to go to sea and do whatever. 130 00:11:16,942 --> 00:11:21,147 The Japanese of course sunk it, killed him and everybody. 131 00:11:26,152 --> 00:11:28,120 The summers there were real neat. 132 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:35,094 The summer of ’38 I was on the USS Texas for about three months. 133 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:38,064 We went to Le Havre, France, 134 00:11:38,064 --> 00:11:44,036 to Portsmouth, England, and Copenhagen, Denmark. 135 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:47,006 When we got into Le Havre, France 136 00:11:47,006 --> 00:11:50,176 real stinky port by the way 137 00:11:50,176 --> 00:11:57,183 we got a Cook’s Tour to Paris, and it cost forty dollars. 138 00:11:57,183 --> 00:12:02,154 And that covered transportation from Le Havre and back on the train, 139 00:12:02,154 --> 00:12:07,693 a nice hotel —Letitia Hotel, which is still in existence 140 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:11,664 meals, as well with a room 141 00:12:11,664 --> 00:12:16,702 and then a tour of Paris was all included in that forty dollars 142 00:12:16,702 --> 00:12:19,672 for four days. 143 00:12:19,672 --> 00:12:25,111 While we were there, one thing my roommate and I did, 144 00:12:25,111 --> 00:12:31,083 we went out to the Airport Le Bourget and took a flight over Paris. 145 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:37,656 We spent a little time around Le Havre, but that’s a pretty poor place. 146 00:12:37,656 --> 00:12:41,627 We were there (in Denmark) over the fourth of July as a matter of fact. 147 00:12:41,627 --> 00:12:46,132 Those crazy Danes go swimming in the water up there, 148 00:12:46,132 --> 00:12:52,104 in the Baltic, and it’s as cold as icebergs almost. 149 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:55,074 but they go swimming and enjoy the beach. 150 00:12:55,074 --> 00:13:06,051 We didn’t do much there, we went to a castle which is where Hamlet was from. 151 00:13:06,051 --> 00:13:12,525 And I was impressed by the armor, they had a whole bunch of old-time armor. 152 00:13:12,525 --> 00:13:17,496 You know, a kid today, ten years old, couldn’t hardly get in it. 153 00:13:17,496 --> 00:13:20,633 I mean, those people were little; 154 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:27,606 sort of like the Japanese were years ago too, you know? 155 00:13:27,606 --> 00:13:35,581 So anyway, then some native sort of took a hold of us one day 156 00:13:35,581 --> 00:13:38,551 and showed us around Copenhagen a little bit. 157 00:13:38,551 --> 00:13:45,524 And he informed us that -this was the first I had ever heard of, over there, Hitler at all - 158 00:13:45,524 --> 00:13:48,828 how Hitler was improving Germany. 159 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:55,835 And see, the Danes go up to Bavaria and Switzerland for vacations, 160 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:59,805 and they’d travel back and forth, and of course here were some nice roads; 161 00:13:59,805 --> 00:14:03,776 you know, he was really improving Germany. 162 00:14:03,776 --> 00:14:07,179 And so this guy was highly impressed with that. 163 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:13,152 And the one thing I do remember particularly there, was the Tivoli Gardens, have you ever heard of that? 164 00:14:13,152 --> 00:14:23,062 well it’s the original — you might say the original Six Flags or Disney Land 165 00:14:23,062 --> 00:14:28,033 It goes way back to the ‘20s or earlier, 166 00:14:28,033 --> 00:14:39,011 and it’s a really nice garden, so to speak. They have performances and a band and these sort of things. 167 00:14:39,011 --> 00:14:47,987 It’s just really neat. And it’s still in existence but just operates during the summer. 168 00:14:47,987 --> 00:14:54,960 And from there we went to Portsmouth and again took a tour to London for four days 169 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,929 — forty dollars also. 170 00:14:56,929 --> 00:15:04,904 Incidentally the Franc was 39 Francs to the Dollar in those days. 171 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,874 Anyhow, we went to England for the same price 172 00:15:08,874 --> 00:15:16,181 and stayed at the Imperial Hotel which is in Russell Square 173 00:15:16,181 --> 00:15:22,087 not far from the (British) Museum and quite a few nice things to see. 174 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:31,130 And again we had meals, rooms, and so forth, transportation, tour of London. 175 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:35,634 So that was an enjoyable experience too of course. 176 00:15:35,634 --> 00:15:39,605 From Portsmouth also, I went to Brighton, 177 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:48,580 which is sort of, in those days anyway, one of their summer beach places. 178 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:52,551 Again it’s too cold to go in, but they do it. 179 00:15:52,551 --> 00:15:58,524 And from there, I don’t know; we came back to the states. 180 00:15:58,524 --> 00:16:03,495 Fired five inch guns, and things  like that. 181 00:16:03,495 --> 00:16:08,467 The whole tour, being the first one from the Midshipmen’s point of view, 182 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:17,443 was to do the work and stand the type of watches that the enlisted men stood. 183 00:16:17,443 --> 00:16:22,348 The whole thing: you know we scrubbed the deck, and you know, all these things like that. 184 00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:30,823 So that was the whole purpose of the trip: to acquaint you with sailors. 185 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:36,795 So then going back, the next summer, 186 00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:46,305 about a third of it was devoted to helping incoming plebes, moving them around. 187 00:16:46,305 --> 00:16:57,883 About another third was devoted to flying in a twin engine sea plane, a PBY sea plane. 188 00:16:57,883 --> 00:17:07,860 We co-piloted, navigated, and shot the guns out of the side at a target, that sort of thing. 189 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,162 So that was, you know, really good for me. 190 00:17:10,162 --> 00:17:20,139 We also went down in a sub in Chesapeake Bay and were inside of a sub. 191 00:17:20,139 --> 00:17:25,811 And the last part was supposed to be a destroyer cruise for me, 192 00:17:25,811 --> 00:17:30,783 about two weeks up to New York and Boston. 193 00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:36,755 Well unfortunately just before that came up, I was high jumping and broke my leg. 194 00:17:36,755 --> 00:17:40,726 So I spent that time in the Hospital. 195 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:48,700 And while I was there - during the first three years of the acedemic year 196 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:51,804 Two of us had roomed together all four years, 197 00:17:51,804 --> 00:17:55,107 and an additional two, we had a four man room. 198 00:17:55,107 --> 00:18:00,079 One of these members was from California (Mac Nicholson). 199 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:01,914 He was a real sailor type, 200 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:06,885 and he fell out of a mast way up on the sailplane 201 00:18:06,885 --> 00:18:11,223 or racing yacht, 202 00:18:11,223 --> 00:18:14,226 that had been given to the Naval Academy, 203 00:18:14,226 --> 00:18:18,230 like for the race from Bermuda and back, that sort of thing. 204 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:22,901 He was up in the mast and fell down onto a hatch; 205 00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:30,242 broke his pelvis into umpteen pieces, and he came into the hospital while I was there. 206 00:18:30,242 --> 00:18:39,251 and I got a little better at this time, and got let out just in time for Sept. leave. 207 00:18:39,251 --> 00:18:43,589 And I came back, and of course he was still in, 208 00:18:43,589 --> 00:18:51,597 and he probably didn’t get back out till November I suppose, before he got out of the hospital. 209 00:18:51,597 --> 00:18:56,568 So that was my third summer, you might say. 210 00:18:56,568 --> 00:19:04,276 My fourth summer was on the USS Arkansas. 211 00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:09,348 This cruise didn’t go to Europe because the war going on of course. 212 00:19:09,348 --> 00:19:18,323 We went to Venezuela, and Panama, and Puerto Rico, and Cuba. 213 00:19:18,323 --> 00:19:25,964 And come up to Norfolk area and shot guns and so forth. 214 00:19:25,964 --> 00:19:35,307 And we also went to, I guess it was, New York and Boston too. 215 00:19:35,307 --> 00:19:44,316 And that was a cruise primarily to see what the Junior Officers did. 216 00:19:44,316 --> 00:19:48,320 We stood Junior Officer watch and so forth. 217 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:55,327 And then we came back to the Academy 218 00:19:55,327 --> 00:20:00,666 and they told us our last year was going to be shortened up 219 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:04,336 and that we’d graduate in February instead of June. 220 00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:11,343 And we didn’t have any vacations and so forth; everything was jammed up a bit. 221 00:20:11,343 --> 00:20:15,314 I also got a letter from 222 00:20:15,314 --> 00:20:18,350 We moved battalions, I moved to a different battalion, 223 00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:21,353 we all did actually, but there were just two man rooms. 224 00:20:21,353 --> 00:20:25,290 So Don Reeder and I were together and the other two were together (Mac Nicholson and Jim McManus). 225 00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:30,262 And I got a letter right away from the battalion commander 226 00:20:30,262 --> 00:20:35,801 that I should not be building any model airplanes in my room 227 00:20:35,801 --> 00:20:40,772 and I would have to have permission from the admiral. 228 00:20:40,772 --> 00:20:45,844 So I wrote a letter to the admiral, and of course three or four months later, I got back approval. 229 00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:55,320 Well I was going to leave. So that sort of ended the model airplane building at the academy. 230 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:03,962 And we graduated on February seventh, just a day after I was twenty-two years old. 231 00:21:03,962 --> 00:21:10,702 I might say, in those days, from the beginning of the Navy, 232 00:21:10,702 --> 00:21:17,409 midshipmen were commissioned in the United States Navy. 233 00:21:17,409 --> 00:21:22,814 I’ve got a piece of paper over here that shows my first Commission. 234 00:21:22,814 --> 00:21:28,320 We all took the same course except for foreign language. 235 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,958 We had a choice of French, Italian, Spanish, or German. 236 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:42,901 Except for that, we all took the same course to be a Junior Officer on a combat ship. 237 00:21:42,901 --> 00:21:49,441 There were four hundred in my class that graduated. About twenty-five went into the Marines 238 00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:55,280 and there were about twenty who couldn’t pass the physical to become naval officers 239 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,453 and they were commissioned as Ensigns in the Reserve 240 00:22:01,453 --> 00:22:06,425 but the rest of us, which was about 350 241 00:22:06,425 --> 00:22:10,762 were commissioned as Ensigns in the United States Navy 242 00:22:10,762 --> 00:22:14,232 and we all went to combat ships. 243 00:22:14,232 --> 00:22:20,539 he first member of my class was killed  a couple months before the war was started, 244 00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:28,513 in the Atlantic on a destroyer which a German sub torpedoed. 245 00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:31,483 He was the first casualty. 246 00:22:34,486 --> 00:22:41,193 Then Pearl Harbor. Of course I went on the USS Maryland. 247 00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:54,172 I joined it actually in Long Beach, California, and went up to Bremerton, Washington for six months overhaul. 248 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:57,909 From there we went into Pearl. 249 00:22:57,909 --> 00:23:03,315 And while we were in the six months overhaul, I went down to Valejo, California 250 00:23:03,315 --> 00:23:09,921 for a six weeks education in range finders and optics. 251 00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:16,361 And I was the Range Finder and Optical officer on the Maryland. That was my job. 252 00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:21,199 And we didn’t have radar. 253 00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:25,771 We were supposed to get radar and new boilers and several things like that, 254 00:23:25,771 --> 00:23:29,741 that were not available when we were in overhaul. 255 00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:35,280 Strikes on the, you know, strikes here and there in the country so 256 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,683 we didn’t get several things we should’ve had. 257 00:23:38,683 --> 00:23:41,286 And so then we went to Pearl. 258 00:23:41,286 --> 00:23:47,959 We operated out of Pearl, probably about half the time and half the time in Pearl. 259 00:23:47,959 --> 00:23:51,863 And the system of operations in those days was: 260 00:23:51,863 --> 00:23:56,668 the battleships had an area to operate in, the destroyers had an area to operate in, 261 00:23:56,668 --> 00:24:02,874 the cruisers had an area to operate in, and the submarines had an area to operate in. 262 00:24:02,874 --> 00:24:13,452 So supposedly there were no submarines in our area; however, on occasion we saw some. 263 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:22,694 And on several occasions we actually called in destroyers and they dumped some charges on them, 264 00:24:22,694 --> 00:24:24,963 — of course, too late. 265 00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:28,600 Anyhow, maybe the Japanese knew we knew they were there. 266 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:35,574 I would say our attitude at that time was, 267 00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:38,543 we knew we were going to be at war with Japan. 268 00:24:38,543 --> 00:24:41,746 The problem was we didn’t know where or when. 269 00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:48,220 When we went into Pearl, we were there for a while, 270 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:55,727 we’d see these B17s being flown into Hickam Field which was right next door 271 00:24:55,727 --> 00:24:58,063 and then on to the Philippines. 272 00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:05,036 And so, Washington thought the war would be started in the Philippines, you see. 273 00:25:05,036 --> 00:25:16,014 In fact, MacArthur had quite a bit of  information on codes and what-have-you, 274 00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:19,551 that the people in Hawaii didn’t have. 275 00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:30,195 And there was one code (machine) on breaking down the Japanese major code, 276 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:35,333 which the British had one copy of the machine, we had one in Washington, 277 00:25:35,333 --> 00:25:40,405 and the third one was with MacArthur in the Philippines. 278 00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:47,279 And so the Pearl Harbor people just got what someone happened to tell them. 279 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:58,690 And nobody suggested really, Washington never suggested we were a problem. 280 00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:07,399 So that was the background, I think you could say, of my point of view of Pearl Harbor 281 00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:10,502 Well, on the specific day, 282 00:26:10,502 --> 00:26:14,906 I had bought a new Bell and Howell movie camera 283 00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:18,410 and I had taken about one or two rolls of film. 284 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:26,384 There’s a nice golf course up the mountains behind Honolulu, we used to go play golf. 285 00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:29,854 I had taken my first roll of film up there. 286 00:26:29,854 --> 00:26:37,729 When Pearl Harbor started,  I of course had that in my room there. 287 00:26:37,729 --> 00:26:41,166 And there were three of us rooming together, 288 00:26:41,166 --> 00:26:45,403 two of them were out of the class of ’40, and I was out of the class of ’41. 289 00:26:45,403 --> 00:26:48,473 One of them out of the (class of) ’40 was, my boss actually. 290 00:26:48,473 --> 00:26:53,278 He was John Mutty; he was in charge of the F-division. 291 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:59,017 The other one was Dusty Rhodes and he was in engineering. 292 00:26:59,017 --> 00:27:04,089 Well, Naval Academy graduates weren’t supposed to get married for two years after you graduated 293 00:27:04,089 --> 00:27:07,659 but Dusty Rhodes got married about a year after he graduated. 294 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:18,637 And his wife, she was able to afford to come over and live in Hawaii. 295 00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:26,611 You see, we were home ported — oh I can’t think of the name right quick, 296 00:27:26,611 --> 00:27:29,047 well that was the home port (Long Beach, CA) 297 00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:34,352 Well everyone’s family lived there you see. 298 00:27:34,352 --> 00:27:39,324 Well, to come over from there to Hawaii, they had to pay their own way. 299 00:27:39,324 --> 00:27:45,697 Well that was, well I was getting $125 a month, 300 00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:53,905 you know, you can’t afford to bring your wife over or family over with $125 a month. 301 00:27:53,905 --> 00:27:56,875 You couldn’t afford to live there either. 302 00:27:56,875 --> 00:28:05,316 Well his wife came over — she had the money in other words. 303 00:28:05,316 --> 00:28:09,554 Well, when Pearl Harbor started, he was home with his wife. 304 00:28:09,554 --> 00:28:18,296 John and I were in our room, and we had just finished (dressing), 305 00:28:18,296 --> 00:28:21,633 just ready to walk out the door to go to breakfast. 306 00:28:21,633 --> 00:28:25,303 We had started to hear noises, and looked out the port. 307 00:28:25,303 --> 00:28:30,341 And here was an airplane going by, at about a hundred feet off the ground 308 00:28:30,341 --> 00:28:33,144 with a great big red meatball on it, you know. 309 00:28:33,144 --> 00:28:34,546 Well we knew what was going on, 310 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:41,252 so we started to our battle station when they started calling general quarters. 311 00:28:41,252 --> 00:28:46,057 And our battle station for the F-division was down in the, 312 00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:51,796 about four decks down, in the middle of the ship. 313 00:28:51,796 --> 00:28:56,134 Once you got there, you couldn’t get out (the water tight doors were sealed). 314 00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:59,871 It was a real nice place to be as long as the ship was afloat. 315 00:28:59,871 --> 00:29:02,307 If it wasn’t, you couldn’t get out. 316 00:29:02,307 --> 00:29:05,210 But anyhow, that’s where we went. 317 00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:09,280 But Dusty couldn’t go. Well he had his battle station there too, 318 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,383 and when he got back over, he couldn’t go down there. 319 00:29:12,383 --> 00:29:16,988 He went up to grab my camera, thought he’d take some good pictures, 320 00:29:16,988 --> 00:29:21,593 but he decided, ‘can’t get them developed, they’re colored.’ 321 00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:27,599 So he didn’t take any. And so that was a crazy one. 322 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:32,704 While everything was going on, 323 00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:36,441 obviously our sixteen-inch guns weren’t much use, 324 00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:42,080 and neither were the five-inch. The anti-aircraft basically got to firing, 325 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,385 When you were in port, you put all your ammunition down - It’s a hot place, you know? 326 00:29:47,385 --> 00:29:53,057 and your ammunition spoils, so to speak, in that heat — 327 00:29:53,057 --> 00:29:56,227 so everything was down in the magazines. 328 00:29:56,227 --> 00:29:59,664 So it took fifteen, twenty minutes to get everything going. 329 00:29:59,664 --> 00:30:07,138 It takes fifteen minutes to get a ship from one condition to battle condition. 330 00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:13,478 And so, the it was all over by the time we were ready to fire. 331 00:30:13,478 --> 00:30:18,216 So all we did down there was, 332 00:30:18,216 --> 00:30:22,353 we had essentially three different radio circuits, 333 00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:31,496 mine was to the range finders, and then we had two computers 334 00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:34,132 range keepers we called them 335 00:30:34,132 --> 00:30:39,103 which Dusty operated one, and 336 00:30:39,103 --> 00:30:43,208 actually Ensign Lowere operated the other one. 337 00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:47,378 And I worked with Dusty on one,  in other words, I was a range finder, 338 00:30:47,378 --> 00:30:53,251 and I put in an input for the range, and he worked the machine. 339 00:30:53,251 --> 00:31:00,158 And, so that was a different circuit (gunnery control circuit manned by Ensign Lowere) 340 00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:05,964 It was a circuit that went to the, among other things, 341 00:31:05,964 --> 00:31:09,868 the mast where people up there could see around good. 342 00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:15,440 Then the third circuit - Mutty was on more of a command circuit. 343 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,646 Well we got all kind of information from those people during the affair you know: 344 00:31:21,646 --> 00:31:24,916 like the Oklahoma going over, and all these things. 345 00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:26,451 *And you were right next to the Oklahoma.* 346 00:31:26,451 --> 00:31:31,022 Yeah, we were tied up with eight-inch Manila lines, 347 00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:32,557 back and forth between them, 348 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:38,696 they snapped like a thread, like a 60 thread. 349 00:31:38,696 --> 00:31:42,400 And it (the Oklahoma) flipped right over. 350 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,638 So we got information on all these things going on. 351 00:31:46,638 --> 00:31:54,679 And, anyhow, that’s sort of what we did while the war was going on. 352 00:31:54,679 --> 00:32:00,451 And then finally after they decided there wasn’t anymore Japanese ships coming in, 353 00:32:00,451 --> 00:32:03,888 then they opened up a bit. 354 00:32:03,888 --> 00:32:08,393 Various people began to get new job. 355 00:32:08,393 --> 00:32:14,766 The ones with boats tried to rescue people. 356 00:32:14,766 --> 00:32:21,072 And my job, actually, was anti-aircraft gunnery. 357 00:32:21,072 --> 00:32:28,479 And so that went on for quite a few days. 358 00:32:28,479 --> 00:32:33,685 We (on the USS Maryland) received one hit for sure, and apparently another one. 359 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:37,622 But one of the horizontal bomber’s bombs 360 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,959 which was armor piercing shell 361 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:47,732 went through right up at the bow, went through the bow and on into the mud below. 362 00:32:47,732 --> 00:32:52,971 Didn’t explode, but it opened up a big hole in the bow. 363 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:56,674 There were two sailors up there that were killed, drowned. 364 00:32:56,674 --> 00:33:01,846 Then we had an officer killed on an anti-aircraft battery. 365 00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:10,154 We never really knew for sure whether it was some little bomb that went off up in the air, 366 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:14,292 and he got hit with it or whatever, or something else. 367 00:33:14,292 --> 00:33:21,566 Anyhow, he was killed on the top side of the ship. 368 00:33:21,566 --> 00:33:28,172 And this was after probably during the second bombing. 369 00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:32,810 We had a pilot over on Ford Island, 370 00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:38,816 our aircraft had gone over to Ford Island, and the pilots were over there. 371 00:33:38,816 --> 00:33:43,287 I am not sure, but he was one of the pilots that was killed. 372 00:33:43,287 --> 00:33:49,761 Apparently, he was shot down in his airplane, but I don’t know what did ever happen. 373 00:33:49,761 --> 00:33:55,500 So that was our damage. And behind us was the Tennessee, 374 00:33:55,500 --> 00:34:00,671 with the West Virginia on the outside of it. 375 00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:05,810 And again the West Virginia got the torpedoes like the Oklahoma got the torpedoes, 376 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:08,780 but the two of us (Tennessee & Maryland) didn’t get torpedoes. 377 00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:11,482 And they (the Tennessee) didn’t get too much damage either. 378 00:34:11,482 --> 00:34:16,621 A horizontal bomb got them too, but it didn’t go off. 379 00:34:16,621 --> 00:34:19,524 They got a little damage but not much. 380 00:34:19,524 --> 00:34:22,326 So the two of us were in pretty good shape. 381 00:34:22,326 --> 00:34:26,898 On the outside of us was the Oklahoma which turned over, 382 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:31,602 and the West Virginia (on the outside of the Tennessee) sunk down; 383 00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:37,275 they were able to quickly sink it down so it (the West Virginia) didn’t turn over. 384 00:34:37,275 --> 00:34:41,179 And of course the Arizona was behind that, 385 00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:48,886 and it got a bomb down, it went down into magazines 386 00:34:48,886 --> 00:34:51,389 exploded and of course, everything. 387 00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:56,127 And behind that was the Nevada and they got hit a little bit. 388 00:34:56,127 --> 00:35:03,534 and tried to get out of the harbor and then they got bombed really quite a bit. 389 00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:11,776 And they were told not to get out of the harbor, block the harbor, in other words. 390 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:21,619 Two other battleships: the Pennsylvania and the California were ahead of us. 391 00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:26,390 One was over in the shipyard, 392 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:29,894 and one was just ahead of us a ways, 393 00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:33,231 and they both got seriously damaged. 394 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:38,269 And in each battleship, eight of them, 395 00:35:38,269 --> 00:35:41,639 there were five of my classmates. 396 00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:48,279 So that’s forty of my classmates right in the group. 397 00:35:48,279 --> 00:35:51,282 Now I don’t know how many more there were, 398 00:35:51,282 --> 00:35:57,321 because every battleship got five of my classmates, 399 00:35:57,321 --> 00:36:00,291 the cruisers got something like three or four, 400 00:36:00,291 --> 00:36:02,560 and there were several cruisers in there. 401 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,298 And then the destroyers generally got one officer. 402 00:36:07,298 --> 00:36:16,140 So, there were probably anywhere from ten to fifteen more of my class in the Pearl Harbor attack. 403 00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:19,844 And I don’t know how many were killed. 404 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:28,419 The Oklahoma, I think lost all five, and the Arizona lost most of theirs too I think. 405 00:36:28,419 --> 00:36:34,926 You wouldn’t know this, but there were people that tried to say 406 00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:40,932 that we were all ashore and that sort of thing (i.e., derelict of duty). 407 00:36:40,932 --> 00:36:48,105 But probably on our ship there were 1,200 people all told, 408 00:36:48,105 --> 00:36:53,477 and I doubt if there were 15 ashore. 409 00:36:53,477 --> 00:36:58,950 In other words, the families couldn’t afford to get over, you see. 410 00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:03,087 The admiral was ashore, he had his wife there. 411 00:37:03,087 --> 00:37:07,625 The captain didn’t have his family out, for instance. He was on board. 412 00:37:07,625 --> 00:37:11,495 And of course, Dusty Rhodes had his wife there. 413 00:37:11,495 --> 00:37:14,265 Probably the one ensign’s wife there, actually. 414 00:37:14,265 --> 00:37:19,003 There were very few people (offshore), we all stayed on the ship, 415 00:37:19,003 --> 00:37:23,441 we didn’t get off, you know. 416 00:37:23,441 --> 00:37:30,881 We maybe had a picnic that we’d all go on with the division some place, 417 00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:36,220 or we’d take a bus tour around the island, 418 00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:45,863 and occasionally go to Waikiki beach obviously, and some other beaches. 419 00:37:45,863 --> 00:37:51,902 But we didn’t have money to be spending a whole lot of time that way anyhow. 420 00:38:06,083 --> 00:38:12,056 But at any rate, the Japanese did a nice job. 421 00:38:12,056 --> 00:38:13,024 They planned that. If you look back at history, they planned very well. 422 00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:17,995 They started to plan the attack about a year ahead. 423 00:38:17,995 --> 00:38:27,371 They even had a trial run up on one of their islands up there a month or so before, 424 00:38:27,371 --> 00:38:39,483 on a harbor that looked a lot like Pearl. You know, they did their homework. 425 00:38:39,483 --> 00:38:49,093 And we didn’t have anywhere near enough aircraft to search around the islands, 426 00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:51,962 for ships coming in. 427 00:38:51,962 --> 00:39:00,604 The navy had few PBYs, which I flew on a few times, 428 00:39:00,604 --> 00:39:05,643 and we’d take a sector and go out three-hundred miles or so. 429 00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:11,182 There’s three-hundred and sixty degrees, you know. 430 00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:16,654 And when you cover fifteen degrees of it, you’re not covering much of it. 431 00:39:16,654 --> 00:39:20,324 We didn’t have any airplanes to be able to do that. 432 00:39:20,324 --> 00:39:28,833 And that was another criticism of course, that we didn’t cover the seas, you know. 433 00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:44,715 This is a nice book, by the way, on Pearl Harbor, 434 00:39:44,715 --> 00:39:49,620 and there’s another real good one by Admiral Layton 435 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:53,624 which covers more than Pearl Harbor, covers Midway and other things. (book references in credits) 436 00:39:53,624 --> 00:40:01,999 He was the chief intelligence officer for Admiral Nimitz, 437 00:40:01,999 --> 00:40:04,969 and Admiral Kimmel too. 438 00:40:04,969 --> 00:40:10,975 And he’s got one of the best books for history there, 439 00:40:10,975 --> 00:40:16,480 before and after, including the intelligence area. 440 00:40:25,856 --> 00:40:37,301 After the shipyard put a patch on the hole on our bow and pumped us out, 441 00:40:37,301 --> 00:40:43,774 what we had to do was blast a quay out that we were tied up to 442 00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:48,045 for us to get out with the Oklahoma sitting there beside us. 443 00:40:48,045 --> 00:40:53,017 So this happened, I don’t know, about a week after Pearl Harbor. 444 00:40:53,017 --> 00:41:00,424 So we went back to Bremerton, Washington, and had some repairs made. 445 00:41:00,424 --> 00:41:03,394 We still didn’t get the radar by the way. 446 00:41:03,394 --> 00:41:10,734 We were there before Christmas, and were there for about a month and half I guess. 447 00:41:10,734 --> 00:41:16,474 And we used to have to get up and man everything at night, two or three times. 448 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:20,678 Every time some truck would go down the highway, 449 00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:25,649 there would be reports of incoming Japanese aircraft. 450 00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:35,326 So it was sort of cold, a cold rain up there a lot of times. 451 00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:41,966 And you'd have to get up, and those trucks going down the highways. 452 00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:47,838 Well anyhow, from there I think we went to San Francisco for a short period. 453 00:41:47,838 --> 00:41:58,649 And we got into a task force of fifteen ships or so, and this is before Midway. 454 00:41:58,649 --> 00:42:05,289 And we went out towards Midway and to north of Midway 455 00:42:05,289 --> 00:42:11,028 and that’s the location we were in, when the Midway battle took place. 456 00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:16,834 So here’s Midway, we were here, and Alaska is here, 457 00:42:16,834 --> 00:42:19,537 so we were sort of in between. 458 00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:27,044 Washington said the Japanese were going to attack Alaska, 459 00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:31,248 and they told Admiral Nimitz to get things up there. 460 00:42:31,248 --> 00:42:36,120 Well his people say they’re going to attack Midway, and I’m going to go to Midway. 461 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:44,528 So that shows you how good Washington’s information is. 462 00:42:44,528 --> 00:42:52,202 So anyway, Admiral Layton, who was his chief intelligence officer, 463 00:42:52,202 --> 00:43:00,878 and the guy that who broke the Japanese code, Rochefort, (Joseph J. Rochefort) I think. 464 00:43:00,878 --> 00:43:11,522 He was the intelligence man, Hawaiian department, Navy Department. 465 00:43:11,522 --> 00:43:18,329 He was the one that decided it was Midway. 466 00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:29,640 He (Rochefort) sent a message out to Midway to have them to openly say that their water system was broke. 467 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:36,347 So here comes the Japanese code telling their people that the water system on Midway was broke. 468 00:43:36,347 --> 00:43:43,821 And that is what gave him the assurance that that’s where they were going. 469 00:43:43,821 --> 00:43:55,532 And Nimitz went with him. Well at any rate, that’s sort of going along. 470 00:43:55,532 --> 00:44:00,871 Well from there we went back into San Francisco 471 00:44:00,871 --> 00:44:07,211 yeah San Francisco, and we actually got the radar hoisted aboard. 472 00:44:07,211 --> 00:44:11,215 Well here’s the top of the mast, it has to go up there, 473 00:44:11,215 --> 00:44:14,918 all these places to go up. 474 00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:19,657 So it got hoisted aboard. Well we went to Pearl right quick, 475 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,593 and from Pearl we went to Fijis 476 00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:34,738 And about, well at that time it was a couple three months, after Midway. 477 00:44:34,738 --> 00:44:41,145 So, one of my classmates got the job of getting that thing (radar) installed, 478 00:44:41,145 --> 00:44:44,882 and when it got it installed that took my job. 479 00:44:44,882 --> 00:44:52,489 So I was given the job to become the Division Officer of the Third Division, 480 00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:56,760 which manned turret three:  two sixteen-inch guns 481 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,365 which fired, each shell was 2,000 pounds, 482 00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:07,304 and you had five one-hundred pound bags of powder to fire them. 483 00:45:07,304 --> 00:45:12,910 Well so that was my next job for the second year essentially I was on the Maryland. 484 00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:19,717 And along with that, the four turret officers stood all of the Officer of the Deck watches underway 485 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:24,922 and so what the Officer of the Deck does which you probably aren’t aware of, 486 00:45:24,922 --> 00:45:36,366 he runs the ship essentially for his tour; moves all the actual operations of the ship, and so forth. 487 00:45:36,366 --> 00:45:41,972 So that was - the four of us did that. 488 00:45:41,972 --> 00:45:45,576 And then there were four airplanes on the ship, 489 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:50,314 and the turret officer number four and myself were 490 00:45:50,314 --> 00:45:55,119 the catapult officers and recovery officers for those aircraft. 491 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,856 and I was twenty-three years old. 492 00:46:03,193 --> 00:46:05,262 Well anyhow, that was a year. 493 00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:10,100 And at most we were operating with about twenty-five ships, 494 00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:14,071 of which three of them were jeep carriers, 495 00:46:14,071 --> 00:46:18,408 and the rest were battleships and cruisers and destroyers. 496 00:46:18,408 --> 00:46:25,182 And we operated primarily around, as a backup for Guadalcanal. 497 00:46:25,182 --> 00:46:29,586 We operated from Efate in the New Hebrides, 498 00:46:29,586 --> 00:46:36,960 which is not too far from Guadalcanal and not too far from New Caledonia for example. 499 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,766 And that’s, when I got my orders to go to flight training, 500 00:46:42,766 --> 00:46:53,010 in spring of ’44, ’43 yeah. 501 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:58,448 So I left the Maryland and got on the USS Washington 502 00:46:58,448 --> 00:47:01,118 which was one of the new battleships. 503 00:47:01,118 --> 00:47:04,021 And they’d had a torpedo. They’d been torpedoed, 504 00:47:04,021 --> 00:47:07,391 and so they were going back to Pearl to get repairs. 505 00:47:07,391 --> 00:47:15,866 And so I rode the Washington back to Pearl, and then I sat there for a few 506 00:47:15,866 --> 00:47:22,406 three or four days, maybe week, before I could get another ship to go back to San Francisco. 507 00:47:22,406 --> 00:47:28,312 And then I went by train to my home in Norton for a short time, 508 00:47:28,312 --> 00:47:36,687 and from there then I went down to Dallas, Texas to start my flight training in June of ’43. 509 00:47:44,428 --> 00:47:50,100 And on essentially July 10th, I met my future wife, 510 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:57,107 Well one of my classmates There were several classmates in flight training at the same time 511 00:47:57,107 --> 00:48:09,853 and we all lived in a motel which was on the Fort Worth cut off 512 00:48:09,853 --> 00:48:14,925 which was about fifteen miles from where we were flying. 513 00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:21,899 And so one of them had a cousin who lived in Dallas 514 00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:28,171 and she wanted my future wife to meet him, 515 00:48:28,171 --> 00:48:39,383 and so we met them in downtown Dallas, and he wasn’t very impressed. 516 00:48:39,383 --> 00:48:50,494 And so several of us were going to go to the Starlight Theater in Dallas. 517 00:48:50,494 --> 00:49:01,872 So some of them had dates and I didn’t have one so, we decided to try Bobby. 518 00:49:01,872 --> 00:49:08,111 So she went with me. That was our first datewas at the Starlight Theater, 519 00:49:08,111 --> 00:49:14,418 And I guess at that point 520 00:49:14,418 --> 00:49:21,792 you ever hear ‘Some Enchanted Evening’? You ever hear of that music, that song? 521 00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:26,463 It’s from South Pacific (Rodgers & Hammerstein). 522 00:49:26,463 --> 00:49:32,102 Well anyhow, it ends up, “once you have found her/ never let her go”. 523 00:49:32,102 --> 00:49:40,410 So we were engaged in August before I left for Pensacola, 524 00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:46,083 and she came down to visit me in Pensacola to see if we really wanted to get married, 525 00:49:46,083 --> 00:49:49,519 and we made arrangements to be married in November. 526 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:57,694 And so she and her mother and father and her best girlfriend came down 527 00:49:57,694 --> 00:50:07,371 and we were married November 5th 1943. 528 00:50:10,374 --> 00:50:16,546 And so we had a long engagement. And it lasted almost 70 years. 529 00:50:16,546 --> 00:50:21,885 We lacked 36 days of being married 70 years. 530 00:50:27,024 --> 00:50:31,128 Well anyhow then I got through flight training, 531 00:50:31,128 --> 00:50:37,200 in fact I was finished before the end of the year, except I hadn’t passed Morse Code. 532 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,369 If you know what Morse Code is. 533 00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:47,344 I hadn’t passed my Morse code. You had to take so many words a minute by ear, and so many words by blinker 534 00:50:47,344 --> 00:50:51,381 so I passed that then right after the first of the year, 535 00:50:51,381 --> 00:50:53,350 and got my wings. 536 00:50:53,350 --> 00:50:59,589 And went from there to fighter training at Vero Beach 537 00:50:59,589 --> 00:51:04,728 flying Hellcats, Grumman F6Fs, the one in the middle up there, 538 00:51:04,728 --> 00:51:11,001 and so I spent about two years in a row then, flying Hellcats. 539 00:51:11,001 --> 00:51:14,905 I went through flight training there, 540 00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:30,320 then I went to Chicago and Gross Isle and I landed on a carrier in the Great Lakes there, 541 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,424 and got my carrier qualification, went back to Vero Beach. 542 00:51:34,424 --> 00:51:39,963 And they kept me around as an instructor for another several months. 543 00:51:39,963 --> 00:51:48,939 Instrument instructing the students coming in, and then later taking a fighter group through. 544 00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:56,680 So come summer then, I was assigned to Air Group Sixteen. 545 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,818 Started out as a fighter squadron, which had 72 fighters, 546 00:52:01,818 --> 00:52:08,091 and they decided to split it into two squadrons, 36 each, 547 00:52:08,091 --> 00:52:13,597 one being a fighter squadron, and the other being called a fighter bomber squadron. 548 00:52:13,597 --> 00:52:22,672 And so we had some extra training then, in close air support of incoming troops, 549 00:52:22,672 --> 00:52:30,814 and so that’s what we were getting set for, is to go out then for the invasion of Japan, 550 00:52:30,814 --> 00:52:40,957 And we went Bobby met me every place she could during those years 551 00:52:40,957 --> 00:52:51,835 Couple weeks or less in Providence, Rhode Island when we got off loaded, 552 00:52:51,835 --> 00:53:04,014 and less than about eight hours in Los Angeles, when we came into San Diego for twenty-four hours. 553 00:53:04,014 --> 00:53:12,122 And we were on the Bonhomme Richard, and we went through the canal, 554 00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:14,858 and were to go to San Francisco actually, 555 00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:20,630 to get the guns put on the side that couldn’t get put on when we went through the canal. 556 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:24,601 And so Bobby was going to meet me in San Francisco. 557 00:53:24,601 --> 00:53:30,273 Well, we got a change of order after we got through the canal to go to Hawaii 558 00:53:30,273 --> 00:53:37,347 post haste, and stop in San Diego for one day and get fuel. 559 00:53:37,347 --> 00:53:41,985 And so we got into San Diego to get fuel. 560 00:53:41,985 --> 00:53:47,991 Well I called my mother in-law, and she said Bobby was in L.A. 561 00:53:47,991 --> 00:53:52,128 she didn’t know where 562 00:53:52,128 --> 00:53:58,935 but she was with one of my roommates: Mac Nicholson 563 00:53:58,935 --> 00:54:02,539 the one that fell off the mast and so forth. 564 00:54:02,539 --> 00:54:08,478 He and his mother he had been stationed in Washington; he had been transferred, 565 00:54:08,478 --> 00:54:13,750 and so Bobby had driven with them into L.A. 566 00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:17,087 And I knew where they lived in Pasadena, 567 00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:21,758 and he had a house that they rented, but I knew where that was. And I went to that house 568 00:54:21,758 --> 00:54:26,563 and they said they, They had been there just a few hours ago. 569 00:54:26,563 --> 00:54:33,303 And I didn’t have any idea where they were going, except that at eight o’clock that night 570 00:54:33,303 --> 00:54:37,674 they were going meet his sister coming in on a train at the Union Station. 571 00:54:37,674 --> 00:54:40,410 So I went to Union Station and found them, 572 00:54:40,410 --> 00:54:43,713 and so that was eight o’clock at night 573 00:54:43,713 --> 00:54:48,318 and I had to be on a ship to leave eight o’clock the next morning 574 00:54:48,318 --> 00:54:52,622 so we didn’t see much of each other you see. 575 00:54:52,622 --> 00:54:59,796 And she went on up to San Francisco with a friend of hers up there, and then later went home. 576 00:54:59,796 --> 00:55:06,236 Anyhow, the Bonhomme Richard went to Hawaii 577 00:55:06,236 --> 00:55:11,107 and took off our air group and put a night fighter group on, 578 00:55:11,107 --> 00:55:16,313 and the reason was the Enterprise had the night fighter outfit, 579 00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:21,985 and they got pretty well damaged, so they wanted a night fighter group out real fast. 580 00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:27,524 And so, we (air group 16) spent a few weeks on Maui, 581 00:55:27,524 --> 00:55:35,498 and then they sent us off to Saipan, and we were there for a couple weeks, 582 00:55:35,498 --> 00:55:41,504 and then we went to Leyte Gulf and got on the USS Randolph, 583 00:55:41,504 --> 00:55:47,577 and relieved the Air Group 12, actually. 584 00:55:47,577 --> 00:55:52,949 And so, after we got on the Randolph we started for Japan. 585 00:55:52,949 --> 00:55:57,387 And, so the last months of the war, 586 00:55:57,387 --> 00:56:00,824 we were going up and down the coast of Japan. 587 00:56:00,824 --> 00:56:07,630 And we would make three days of runs into a particular target area, 588 00:56:07,630 --> 00:56:12,369 then we would back off and refuel, and so forth. 589 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:18,274 And then take another area someplace else and bomb them. 590 00:56:18,274 --> 00:56:27,183 I think in the months there, I made eight, I think about eight bombing trips into Japan itself. 591 00:56:27,183 --> 00:56:34,357 And the other flights I flew were combat air-patrols over the ships; 592 00:56:34,357 --> 00:56:41,331 the Japanese kamikazes were coming in, and I never was in the right place to meet with one. 593 00:56:41,331 --> 00:56:44,601 I was either at 20,000 feet and they’d come in at five, 594 00:56:44,601 --> 00:56:49,105 or I was at 10,000 and they’d come in at twenty, or something, you know. 595 00:56:49,105 --> 00:56:52,976 I never got close to one. 596 00:56:52,976 --> 00:56:59,549 But, I did make about eight bombing runs into Japan itself. 597 00:56:59,549 --> 00:57:10,994 We went into the Tokyo area, the Sendai area, the Hokkaido area: 598 00:57:10,994 --> 00:57:14,197 the northern isle between the ferries. 599 00:57:14,197 --> 00:57:20,270 And then the Osaka-Kobe area. 600 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:24,641 And that was the area we went into, 601 00:57:24,641 --> 00:57:29,245 and in fact, we went into the Kobe-Osaka inland sea, 602 00:57:29,245 --> 00:57:34,484 and that was the only time I had ever had a plane with me that was damaged. 603 00:57:34,484 --> 00:57:41,724 My number four team man got a shrapnel into his engine, 604 00:57:41,724 --> 00:57:45,662 and knocked out one of the two  magnetos actually, 605 00:57:45,662 --> 00:57:53,336 and we of course turned right out and went home, and he made it home fine. 606 00:57:53,336 --> 00:58:03,780 And then, on the fifteenth, the first flight off of the carrier that day was the dawn patrol. 607 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:09,752 It was fighters summoned to the area 608 00:58:09,752 --> 00:58:14,724 as the first clearing of the area 609 00:58:14,724 --> 00:58:18,027 before the bomber squadrons would come in. 610 00:58:18,027 --> 00:58:31,241 And so on the fifteenth, I took sixteen planes to, I can’t remember the exact area, 611 00:58:31,241 --> 00:58:39,315 near just on the side of Tokyo, and we were over Tokyo Bay, and so forth, 612 00:58:39,315 --> 00:58:48,358 and we dropped our bombs and what not, and we were just starting to come back to the ship. 613 00:58:48,358 --> 00:58:54,564 And they started calling the bomber squadron with the fighter escort, 614 00:58:54,564 --> 00:58:59,335 told them to drop their bombs into the water, and to return to the ship, 615 00:58:59,335 --> 00:59:06,209 so we were the last combat group in other words from the Randolph. 616 00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:14,584 Why I am here actually is because  they dropped an atomic bomb. 617 00:59:14,584 --> 00:59:23,560 To start with, we had been asked to plan a flight from our ship to Pusan Harbor 618 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:29,299 Well there was a Hurricane, what do you call them over there? A typhoon. 619 00:59:29,299 --> 00:59:34,270 And a lot of (Japanese) shipping was going into Pusan Harbor 620 00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:41,878 and so our fighters, fighter bombers, were the only ones who could possibly make it back, (from Pusan) 621 00:59:41,878 --> 00:59:44,280 and we couldn’t really do it either (not enough fuel to return). 622 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:51,421 And we were planning a flight to Pusan Harbor, and fortunately it went over Hiroshima. 623 00:59:51,421 --> 00:59:55,758 And so the Army came out. 624 00:59:55,758 --> 01:00:00,296 They didn’t want anybody over Hiroshima. So it was cancelled. 625 01:00:00,296 --> 01:00:10,940 And actually, what it amounted to was the flight went across Japan, into Pusan (to bomb), made it back, 626 01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:15,511 Our best chance was we would have had to land in the water, 627 01:00:15,511 --> 01:00:19,015 after we made it over Japan again. 628 01:00:19,015 --> 01:00:27,991 Hopefully get picked up by a destroyer, submarine or PBY. 629 01:00:27,991 --> 01:00:36,232 If we had any extra use of gas, we would have never made it home. 630 01:00:36,232 --> 01:00:41,938 So that’s the number one reason I am here. The number two reason is that, 631 01:00:41,938 --> 01:00:44,407 if we had actually landed troops, (in occupation of Japan) 632 01:00:44,407 --> 01:00:50,013 we would have been pretty dangerously operating in support of the troops, 633 01:00:50,013 --> 01:01:01,457 as being the planes that supported right down, close by the action against the Japanese, you see. 634 01:01:01,457 --> 01:01:08,731 So that’s the number one reason of my being here. 635 01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:23,813 The Lord has taken care of me. Which is all I can really say. 636 01:01:28,451 --> 01:01:38,094 Well, after the war was over, my air group was disbanded in November, 637 01:01:38,094 --> 01:01:41,531 and my next job was being the navigator of a carrier. 638 01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:52,809 And so I went to the USS White Plains in Seattle and started navigating out of the fog out of Seattle, 639 01:01:52,809 --> 01:02:00,249 and turned out we were going out to Boston through the canal 640 01:02:00,249 --> 01:02:07,223 and were being put out of commission in Seattle, I mean Boston. 641 01:02:07,223 --> 01:02:14,997 And incidentally, I couldn’t get a place to live, anywhere near. 642 01:02:14,997 --> 01:02:22,505 We lived in Foxborough, Massachusetts, in a motel. 643 01:02:22,505 --> 01:02:31,881 And Bobby and my oldest daughter, I met them with her father in Detroit, 644 01:02:31,881 --> 01:02:40,690 and then I took over, and we drove to Boston, and this is about April of ’46. 645 01:02:40,690 --> 01:02:47,096 And so we had a few months in Boston, in this motel, 646 01:02:47,096 --> 01:02:53,369 and then I got orders to three years of postgraduate school 647 01:02:53,369 --> 01:03:00,543 first two years in Annapolis, and the third year at the California Institute of Technology. 648 01:03:00,543 --> 01:03:15,391 so we lived for two years in Annapolis and our second child, Sherrie, 649 01:03:15,391 --> 01:03:22,231 was born that summer in Dallas, and I was in Alameda. 650 01:03:22,231 --> 01:03:33,309 The summers of post graduate school, I spent the first summer at the Patuxent River Naval Air test section, 651 01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:36,546 and flying test aircraft there. 652 01:03:36,546 --> 01:03:41,350 And the second summer I spent at the Alameda Naval Air station 653 01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:45,955 the overhaul and repair station. 654 01:03:45,955 --> 01:03:54,764 They would take airplanes like that, and tear them down and repair them and put them back together. 655 01:03:54,764 --> 01:04:02,738 So I was learning that trade, so to speak, and test flying the airplanes that would come out. 656 01:04:02,738 --> 01:04:07,944 And Sherrie was born in August before I was through. 657 01:04:07,944 --> 01:04:18,254 So anyhow, I got on an airplane, and I wasn’t too late, like 24 hours after her birth. 658 01:04:18,254 --> 01:04:24,060 And from there then, I went to Cal Tech and spent a year there, 659 01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:29,298 and I have an Engineers degree from Cal Tech, 660 01:04:29,298 --> 01:04:32,034 Now, It’s what they call a junior PHD 661 01:04:32,034 --> 01:04:40,409 it has the same course work as a PHD, but you don’t do a dissertation, instead of that you do a project. 662 01:04:40,409 --> 01:04:49,518 It’s almost similar to KU’s doctorate of engineering degree. Not too much different. 663 01:04:49,518 --> 01:04:55,091 So anyway, that was my education. I went from there to Corpus Christi, 664 01:04:55,091 --> 01:04:59,896 and I was a Maintenance Officer for forty some airplanes, 665 01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:03,299 and I had about five-hundred men working for me. 666 01:05:03,299 --> 01:05:09,505 And then I went to Jacksonville, Florida, 667 01:05:09,505 --> 01:05:15,311 and was a gunnery officer for COM FAIR JAX (Commander Fleet Air Jacksonville) 668 01:05:15,311 --> 01:05:17,980 and that’s where I made Commander. 669 01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:23,219 Oh, by the way, I made Lieutenant Commander just before the war was over. 670 01:05:23,219 --> 01:05:27,657 I was Executive Officer of Fighter- Bomber Sixteen, by the way. 671 01:05:27,657 --> 01:05:32,995 That was because the previous Executive Officer had been shot down. 672 01:05:32,995 --> 01:05:39,568 And I lost my roommate when we were over Japan too. 673 01:05:39,568 --> 01:05:48,244 And anyhow, when I made my Lieutenant Commander with flight pay, 674 01:05:48,244 --> 01:05:51,881 I finally exceeded four-hundred dollars a month for salary, 675 01:05:51,881 --> 01:06:01,624 which is what Dusty Rhodes got when he quit the navy in 1942 and went to work for DuPont. 676 01:06:01,624 --> 01:06:07,063 But so, that was always a milestone. 677 01:06:07,063 --> 01:06:11,867 Here Dusty had worked all through the war, and here I was getting shot at; 678 01:06:11,867 --> 01:06:16,839 I finally made more money than hed made, when he started. 679 01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:20,743 I don’t know how much he was making by this time. 680 01:06:20,743 --> 01:06:26,916 Well let’s see, that was a quickie on some of that. 681 01:06:26,916 --> 01:06:30,753 Let’s see, after I made Commander, 682 01:06:30,753 --> 01:06:37,159 they gave me orders to be Commanding Officer of an anti-submarine squadron on a carrier. 683 01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:39,662 I didn’t want it. 684 01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:44,700 Well anyhow, they sent me to Corpus Christi. 685 01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:49,672 Went through a real nice instrument training school, 686 01:06:49,672 --> 01:06:54,710 and got a green card, which means you can fly anytime you wanted to 687 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:56,746 didn’t make any difference what the weather was. 688 01:06:56,746 --> 01:07:07,723 While I was there, I really injured my back flying, just tore it up. 689 01:07:07,723 --> 01:07:10,126 Couldn’t even sleep. 690 01:07:10,126 --> 01:07:17,900 So anyhow, I went from there to Norfolk, Virginia, 691 01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:26,509 to go to an anti-submarine school, and anti-submarine tactics and so forth, 692 01:07:26,509 --> 01:07:31,480 I was resting the whole time I could for my back. 693 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:37,920 And I went back to the Com Air Atlantic office and told them I didn’t want that, 694 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,589 I wanted a fighter squadron. 695 01:07:40,589 --> 01:07:44,560 Well, they said, just keep going, we have something coming up. 696 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:52,902 So fine, and they were jet fighters Grumman F9Fs, actually is what they were. 697 01:07:52,902 --> 01:07:57,440 And unfortunately, or fortunately, really, for me, 698 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:05,681 the Commanding Officer of Fleet Aircraft Service Squadron 795 was killed. 699 01:08:05,681 --> 01:08:15,324 And it was a squadron in Bermuda which serviced Sea Planes. 700 01:08:15,324 --> 01:08:22,631 If you look back up here there’s a picture of one of them those are Sea Planes, PBM. 701 01:08:22,631 --> 01:08:27,870 Well there I was and there I went. I went to Bermuda 702 01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:33,109 If I had got that fighter squadron, I was going to Korea. 703 01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:41,817 So that was a real good deal, probably not in the long-run, but personally it was a good deal, 704 01:08:41,817 --> 01:08:49,758 and we enjoyed our year in Bermuda just greatly; and that’s what it amounted to was a year. 705 01:08:49,758 --> 01:08:56,198 And so from there we went to Dallas Texas, 706 01:08:56,198 --> 01:08:59,969 and I was what’s called an Assistant Bureau of Aeronautics Representative 707 01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:08,544 and this is the group of people that inspect and buy new airplanes, like from Chance Vought. 708 01:09:08,544 --> 01:09:13,349 They were still making those, but of course they were making jets too. 709 01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:17,153 And I was there for a year. 710 01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:25,995 Then they decided to make a new Bureau of Aeronautics Representative at Fort Worth, 711 01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:30,733 which had Bell Helicopters primarily. 712 01:09:30,733 --> 01:09:37,740 And so I got moved from Assistant BAR of Dallas to BAR of Fort Worth, 713 01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:40,142 and so I got into Helicopters. 714 01:09:40,142 --> 01:09:49,752 I had never got into them before well I had flown one too but that wasn’t my cup of tea. 715 01:09:49,752 --> 01:09:52,621 Well anyway I was there for a year. 716 01:09:52,621 --> 01:09:57,893 And after I got through with the year they sent me to Helicopter school. 717 01:09:57,893 --> 01:10:04,700 And so the next job was Commanding Officer of Helicopter Utility Squadron One, 718 01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:10,539 which is the Pacific fleet rescue squadron. 719 01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:17,346 If you look back at the Korean War, you’ll find there’s a movie even, made of them: 720 01:10:17,346 --> 01:10:19,915 ‘The Bridges of Toko-Ri’ 721 01:10:19,915 --> 01:10:30,059 it’s a movie of the rescues that Helicopter Utility Squadron One was doing in Korea. 722 01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:40,569 And actually, they were given the Presidential Unit Citation, actually 723 01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:46,909 which is unusual for a non-combat outfit. 724 01:10:46,909 --> 01:10:50,012 So anyhow, that was my next duty. 725 01:10:50,012 --> 01:10:57,519 Well the next duty was Chief Staff Officer for Commander Fleet Air Philippines in Manila. 726 01:10:57,519 --> 01:11:01,590 Actually Sangley Point (Naval Air Station) That was the first year. 727 01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:08,564 Then he (the Captain) left, he was also the Commanding officer of Sangley Point. 728 01:11:08,564 --> 01:11:16,005 He left and went to,he made Admiral actually, and left. 729 01:11:16,005 --> 01:11:21,877 Then the staff was moved over to a new base at Cubi Point in Subic Bay, 730 01:11:21,877 --> 01:11:26,649 which was a nice airfield for carrier aircraft. 731 01:11:26,649 --> 01:11:31,620 So that was my next assignment. Two years in the Philippines, 732 01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:36,392 and quite a few things took place during those two. 733 01:11:36,392 --> 01:11:48,070 On occasion I had to fly to Singapore, Ceylon to check the bases. 734 01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:56,745 We were about to send some planes from Japan around to the Suez Canal. 735 01:11:56,745 --> 01:12:03,385 That was when there was a fuss between France, England, the United States, and Nassar (President of Egypt) 736 01:12:03,385 --> 01:12:06,622 on who owns the Suez Canal. 737 01:12:06,622 --> 01:12:10,726 And another time, for instance, we had got 738 01:12:10,726 --> 01:12:14,496 the planes coming in from Japan picking up mines, 739 01:12:14,496 --> 01:12:21,937 We were about to mine China, and it turned out we didn’t. 740 01:12:21,937 --> 01:12:28,110 But several things took place in those two years that were interesting. 741 01:12:28,110 --> 01:12:36,552 I used to read the messages from the State Department, for example, 742 01:12:36,552 --> 01:12:40,823 classified messages on what’s going on, you know. 743 01:12:40,823 --> 01:12:48,597 I didn’t have the clearance Hillary had, 744 01:12:48,597 --> 01:12:56,405 I would have been strung up if I had mishandled any of that. 745 01:12:56,405 --> 01:13:10,552 At any rate, from there I went to the Memphis Naval Air Technical Training Center as the Executive Officer. 746 01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:17,326 I was there for three years. It’s a school of about 12,000 students. 747 01:13:17,326 --> 01:13:28,504 Primarily, the biggest bunch of them are electronic people who qualified out of boot camp. 748 01:13:28,504 --> 01:13:32,841 And there were three levels actually; the boot camp level, 749 01:13:32,841 --> 01:13:42,885 and then there was a level for sailors who had about six - seven years first class, 750 01:13:42,885 --> 01:13:52,094 and then the high level was for maintenance officers. It was sort of a Junior College level. 751 01:13:52,094 --> 01:14:04,373 And so, I retired 24 years to the day from when I got in the Naval Academy. 752 01:14:04,373 --> 01:14:09,311 And we had bought a house in Dallas when we lived there, 753 01:14:09,311 --> 01:14:13,615 and were planning on trying to go back there; hopefully work for Chance Vought. 754 01:14:13,615 --> 01:14:18,720 Well I went over to Chance Vought. I knew the President, 755 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:24,693 and he said we just can’t help you, and he suggested I go to a different company 756 01:14:24,693 --> 01:14:28,831 which I didn’t want to go, so I didn’t. 757 01:14:28,831 --> 01:14:39,708 So I sent in letters to a number of schools, in Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and Arizona actually relative to teaching. 758 01:14:39,708 --> 01:14:45,514 And I got three offers actually, and I thought KU was the best. 759 01:14:48,984 --> 01:14:58,927 So it wasn’t necessarily the best program, but it was a good one, 760 01:14:58,927 --> 01:15:15,477 and Arizona was probably a bit better, but not so handy: my folks here in this state, and Bobby’s in Texas, you know. 761 01:15:15,477 --> 01:15:19,648 So anyway, that’s why we came here. 762 01:15:19,648 --> 01:15:28,624 So I put in twenty-eight years at KU, chairman of the department for twelve, 763 01:15:28,624 --> 01:15:40,302 and I did about a bit over a half-million dollars of research at that time. 764 01:15:40,302 --> 01:15:56,285 One was on tornados with Dr. Eagleman, and one was on Venus Probes about ’76 or so. I forget exactly when 765 01:15:56,285 --> 01:16:02,724 the main probe and three little ones. 766 01:16:02,724 --> 01:16:10,098 And the other major one was the streamlining of eighteen-wheeler tractor trailers. 767 01:16:10,098 --> 01:16:16,138 So a lot of what you see that way are things that I have actually worked on, 768 01:16:16,138 --> 01:16:27,849 some of them were my own ideas, and others were taking NASA’s ideas and checking them out. 769 01:16:27,849 --> 01:16:32,721 And then I had a real good, interesting program, 770 01:16:32,721 --> 01:16:38,226 KU, in those days wouldn’t think to having a security clearance, 771 01:16:38,226 --> 01:16:49,471 and in my area you needed it; aerodynamics, supersonic flight, things like that. 772 01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:57,713 Well anyway, Black and Veatch contacted me, and I got a secret clearance through them, 773 01:16:57,713 --> 01:17:07,723 through the army, actually. And I worked for them for twenty years on the side. 774 01:17:07,723 --> 01:17:12,494 The key element of all of it, you can see back here on the wall, 775 01:17:12,494 --> 01:17:19,935 the picture that shows two shock tubes. 776 01:17:19,935 --> 01:17:31,413 It was put in operation in 1968, and it was the largest facility of its type in the world, in Aberdeen Proving Ground. 777 01:17:31,413 --> 01:17:42,491 It was to test the effect of atomic blast on gas turbine engines, and diesel engines. 778 01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:55,237 The Antiballistic Missile program needed a steady source of electrical power, 779 01:17:55,237 --> 01:17:59,608 and so each unit, which they ended up only ever building one. 780 01:17:59,608 --> 01:18:07,683 I don’t know if they ever completed that because politics tore it out. 781 01:18:07,683 --> 01:18:15,490 But anyhow, that was a nice accomplishment on my part, 782 01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:29,738 because I had to present it to Washington DC at the Army, 783 01:18:29,738 --> 01:18:38,680 what’s the engineers’ Army Engineers (Core of Engineers), I can’t think of the name of that. 784 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:51,193 Anyhow they sent me up to Cambridge, Massachusetts to the Bechtel Company to present to the 785 01:18:51,193 --> 01:18:57,299 power committee of the National Academy of Sciences. 786 01:18:57,299 --> 01:19:08,110 And so they bought it and after that, they started designing it and constructing it. 787 01:19:08,110 --> 01:19:22,357 Well that’s one of my sort of good accomplishments, there’s been probably a lot of bad ones too. 788 01:19:22,357 --> 01:19:30,665 And then I retired, after 28 years, and that’s been 28 years now. 789 01:19:34,069 --> 01:19:44,146 So then I had to work for my boss for most of these years, you can see, she was pretty hard on me.